Planned order avail/require date is same but having start date different in each planned order

[Former Member]

Hi All,

Planned order created by SNP run (CTM) always has different start date  and end date same in APO.

The same planned order when we check in ECC its different but same in ECC.

Example:

Planned Order           Start Date              End Date

In APO                    11/06/2016             20/07/2013

In APO                    12/06/2016             20/07/2013

In APO                    13/06/2016             20/07/2013

In APO                    10/06/2016             20/07/2013

In APO                    09/06/2016             20/07/2013

In RRP3/Product view all the orders have same avail/requirement date.

In PDS, activity duration (fixed) is 13 day for setup and handle.

How the activity duration (fixed) figure populates in PDS i believe it from work center ?

Please provide the info what could be the reason for SNP planned order have not the same  start date in APO.

Let me know if required any information to undersatnd the facts.

Regards,

Deepika

[Former Member]

Hi Manimaran,

Thanks for your Reply!

Regards

Deepika Kukreja

[Former Member]

Real Eg is having below mentioned date issue.

In APO

GRPT includes 2 days

PDT incluudes 0 days

PDS activities 13 days

PDS in APO having below activities.

Setup    5 days

setup    1 days

produce  1 day

setup    1 day

setup    5 day

Avail/Req    start date   End Date    QTY

01.08.2019   11.07.2019    31.07.2019    33,598

01.08.2019   10.07.2019    31.07.2019    123,154

01.08.2019   05.07.2019    31.07.2019    20,841

01.08.2019   08.07.2019    31.07.2019    143,998

01.08.2019   09.07.2019    31.07.2019    143,998

01.08.2019   12.07.2019    31.07.2019    143,998

01.08.2019   04.07.2019    31.07.2019    110,398

01.08.2019   03.07.2019    31.07.2019    143,998

01.08.2019   11.07.2019    31.07.2019    143,998

01.08.2019   12.07.2019    31.07.2019    33,598

01.08.2019   11.07.2019    31.07.2019    156,752-

We have the enhancement where snp planned orders for same BEN Bom Explosion Number we are cominbining and before moving to ECC its is creating a combine Planned Orders for same BEN Number.

So IN ECC

Lot size in Routing = 900

so both setup + labour approx 24016 mints= 400.26 mints= 16.67 days

operation    setup    labour    unit

10    15    0    min

20    30    8,180    min

30    60    7,500    min

40    0    0    min

50    15    10    min

60    0    0    min

70    0    0    min

80    0    0    min

90    60    1    min

100    0    0    min

110    0    0    min

120    30    4,700    min

130    15    3,400    min

we have the below dates for the  planned Orders

Avail/Req    start date     End Date     Reschdeuling Date  qty

10.07.2019   06.07.2019     26.04.2019     26.07.2019       891

31.07.2019   20.05.2019     27.07.2019     09.08.2019       891

07.08.2019   03.06.2019     03.08.2019     13.08.2019       797

I am not getting how this dates are picked up in apo and ecc.

Could you please explain me with the above example.

Kindly let me know if you need more details.

[m_manimaran]

Hi Deepika,

The duration of the planned order is decided by the activity times from the PDS or PPM. Which is the same durations, you maintain in ECC routing.

Since the system uses the backward scheduling and I assume you have multiple demands with the same requirement date of 20/07/2016 (I hope you mistyped 2013) - but with different quantity, the start date is calculated differently.

For example, if your PDS is set with 1 hr per EA as a production duration, then 100 EA order would need 100 hr - but 50 EA order would need only 50 hr. Then system will use the requirement date as the end date and use backward scheduling to get the start date.

Please let me know if you need any more details.

Regards,

Manimaran M.

[Former Member]

Hi mani,

Thanks for your reply.

Please find the below details.

Real Eg is having below mentioned date issue.

In APO

GRPT includes 2 days

PDT incluudes 0 days

PDS activities 13 days

PDS in APO having below activities.

Setup    5 days

setup    1 days

produce  1 day

setup    1 day

setup    5 day

Avail/Req    start date   End Date    QTY

01.08.2019   11.07.2019    31.07.2019    33,598

01.08.2019   10.07.2019    31.07.2019    123,154

01.08.2019   05.07.2019    31.07.2019    20,841

01.08.2019   08.07.2019    31.07.2019    143,998

01.08.2019   09.07.2019    31.07.2019    143,998

01.08.2019   12.07.2019    31.07.2019    143,998

01.08.2019   04.07.2019    31.07.2019    110,398

01.08.2019   03.07.2019    31.07.2019    143,998

01.08.2019   11.07.2019    31.07.2019    143,998

01.08.2019   12.07.2019    31.07.2019    33,598

01.08.2019   11.07.2019    31.07.2019    156,752-

We have the enhancement where snp planned orders for same BEN Bom Explosion Number we are cominbining and before moving to ECC its is creating a combine Planned Orders for same BEN Number.

So IN ECC

Lot size in Routing = 900

so both setup + labour approx 24016 mints= 400.26 mints= 16.67 days

operation    setup    labour    unit

10    15    0    min

20    30    8,180    min

30    60    7,500    min

40    0    0    min

50    15    10    min

60    0    0    min

70    0    0    min

80    0    0    min

90    60    1    min

100    0    0    min

110    0    0    min

120    30    4,700    min

130    15    3,400    min

we have the below dates for the  planned Orders

Avail/Req    start date     End Date     Reschdeuling Date  qty

10.07.2019   06.07.2019     26.04.2019     26.07.2019       891

31.07.2019   20.05.2019     27.07.2019     09.08.2019       891

07.08.2019   03.06.2019     03.08.2019     13.08.2019       797

I am not getting how this dates are picked up in apo and ecc.

Could you please explain me with the above example.

Kindly let me know if you need more details.

Regards

Deepika

[m_manimaran]

Hi Deepika,

Could you please post the screenshots of the APO planned order with date details and the ECC planned/production order?

If possible, please post the routing screen as well.

Regards,

Manimaran M.

[Former Member]

Hi Manimaran,

Please Find the attached images for RRP3/Routing/PDS/MD04

Kindly let me know if you need more details.

Regards

Deepika

[Former Member]

[m_manimaran]

Hi Deepika,

Since you are using SNP PDS, the time in the PDS would be rounded to the minimum of one day.

So, in SNP, it would calculate the start and end date using this rough cut PDS.

However, it seems in ECC, when the planned order is getting transferred, it would do the lead time scheduling using individual operation times to the minute level.

This will definitely will create difference in the start date/time, if you are using backward scheduling.

Regards,

Manimaran M.