Also... What is the purpose of the framework?

The purpose of this framework is to develop a R/3 inside PHP.

Is it to be a portal type framework where you can

create an 'iView' filled with data? or is it a to be

a framework to recreate existing SAP transactions

that you can plug in.

IMO, the former is more attractive to me if I was

trying to put content from SAP on my php run

website.

If we do this framework flexible enough, then anyone could easily develop new SAP-PHP transactions and plug them into the framework extending it's functionality.

Something that I could very easily take and put into

wordpress, mambo, joomla, nukes, phpBB (sorry Jive),

mediaWiki (sorry atlassian), typo (Gregor?)

How will you put some R/3 emulated transactions inside those CMS's???

Something that might work with seagull, symfony, Zend

Framework, eZ whatever its called.

Sure, but IMHO, a framework from the scratch would be more flexible -;) At least I think so -:P

A couple of people I would like to hear from on this

are 1. the zend guy who wrote a blog on SAPNet once

(<a href="https://answers.sap.com/people/john.coggeshall/blog/2005/05/04/zend-and-sap-team-up-to-promote-php">John

is his name</a>), 2. Björn Schotte, 3. Gregor.

Yeah....I'm sad that Gregor hasn't pop up yet...I thought he was going to be happy to be a of this project....I guess Christmas got him busy -:D

The benefits of using PHP to talk to SAP is that you

have some possibly existing, things that you want to

talk add SAP data to. I wouldn't be adding php just

because I love php. Once you have an rfc you can talk

to it with a widget, jco, rails whatever.

I think that PHP was choosed, because mostly of the app emulated transactions were developed using PHP....If someone things that using Widgets or Rails would be better....Then the app's will be rewritten -;)

and as I wrote this Alvero posted again...

so to your points oo, mvc and scratch is ok but It

would be nice to be interoperable with other things

via an adaptor into their api/framework.

Sure, but as I said before....I think that creating a framework from the scratch would be more flexible...Still....I haven't any experience using existing PHP frameworks....Just some using Rails and MVC model....

Greetings,

Blag.

The big question is....Who going to start the project??? What we need first is the login and authorizations classes....If we can't log in....we can't do anything else -:P And security is a big issue here...

If we're going to do an R/3 like interface....Then where are we going to store the transactions...I mean....If you type SE38 you must call SE38.php class file....Or it's going to be a dynamic call???

It's bad that John and I couldn't make an fully functional SM04.....I tried for months to delete user sessions....but I give up -:(

What else do we need to define???

Greetings,

Blag.

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I have created a little UML Model to show my approach to the framework....In the Classes Folder we got .class files and in the Viewers Folder we got our .php files...

<a href="http://singlepath.freecoolsite.com/SapPhpFramework.png">Blag's Framework Approach</a>

Any comments?

I'm not much experience with frameworks....I just developed one while I was studying....It's a was actually an R/3 emulation, but using PHP and MySQL....Nothing special....just some SE11 and SE16 like transactions and some "Z" applications that I develop in a R/3 project....So....I need some feedback here -:) More UML models too backup our approaches.....You know....A picture is better that a thousand words -:D

Mine of course, is just a draft....I knew you can better than that -:D

Greetings,

Blag.

The deadline for choosing the name of the project was supposed to be yesterday -:) So let's give a couple of days -;)

Again, my choise is for Craig's <b>SPF</b>....If no one else votes, then I'm going to choose that and assign him the 10 points of this question -:)

Come on! It's a name....You can vote for that, right???

I hope to see the approches for the framework soon -:D I made mine using StarUML which is free....Maybe you all can use that -:)

Greetings,

Blag.

So far, I have collected all the needed R/3 Icons in order to develop a Icons.class which is going to be just a shortcut for using icons...

Instead of having to make the complete call....IMG SRC....Call them by name like "ICON_OK"...

Greetings,

Blag.

As no one has post any comments in a while ( Including me of course -:( ) I have assigned the 10 points to Craig for it's SPF suggestion. So SPF will be the name of the framework....I'm working now on the Icons class, so I'm going to do updates in the WIKI.

This thread is going to be useful to discussions that can't be done on WIKI, so please send any comments, feedback or anything you feel -:D

Greetings and Thanx!

Blag.

Anton: A Peruvian city??? The it could be "Lima"....Which means "Lime", so the logo could be a nice and green Lime -;)

Craig: Your right...Code Name: SPF and then, when we choose the final name, I will change it to that -;)

Frederic: I don't think I understand....You don't like TLA's??? So, "Lima" could make a nice name for you??? -:D

Greetings,

Blag.

How about Machu Pichu ?

Perhaps we can get some help from DST here?

JohnA

Anton: Actually....it's <b>Trujillo</b> -:P And it's a nice name as well....But I like "Lima" because we can use a Lime as the Logo....With Trujillo....I don't know what to use -:P Maybe I need my friend (He's from Trujillo).

"Llama" is also a great name! And a Llama cartoon can be used -;) But..."Llame"...It's means "Call" in english -:P

John: It's <b>Machu Picchu</b> -;) And it's nice also....I went to <b>Machu Picchu</b> in Cuzco early this year, and it was an awesome trip -:D

Please keep the names coming -:D The final name would be decided on Saturday 30, and the winner will get 10 points! -:O I know it's not too much...But come one...How many points can I assign on a forum question! -:P

Greetings,

Blag.

Craig: I know that my design sucks -:'( Even my bride tell me that -:'( So anyway....You're telling me not to use a Fruit as the logo....Or not to a logo at all? Don't worry....I'm not planning to design the logo myself.....Gladly I got some friends who are really good at that -;)

John: WTF DST is??? -:O That's the bad thing of not knowing English good.....I spend almost 5 months believing that IMHO was the name of a guy -:P

Greetings,

Blag.

DST is the Design Services Team.

John: Thanks -;) That would be a nice idea -:D

Anton: Your right....A nice design is need it -;) And again...My design really sucks...So I will develop the first part of the Framework (Login and main page), so anyone can jump in and make a nice layout for it -;)

Actually many people moans about "SAP" design....Because they said that is kinda boring....I liked myself, because I like the simple things of life....So, all the help is welcome -;)

Greetings,

Blag.

This is what we got this far...

SPF --> Craig.
Trujillo --> Anton.
Llama --> Anton.
Lima --> Blag.
Machu Picchu --> John.
Steak --> Nigel.

Greetings,

Blag.

Even when at this point, graphics and stuff are not important, I want to present a nice demo....not a blog demo -:D

I think choosing the name, it's important....Because at least in Google Code, you can change the name of the project....So, if I created now, I don't want to be CodeName: SPF forever.....Because I will need to create a new project when we got the final name.....And people should need to update bookmarks....the codes uploaded again....any comment would be lost.....and some other things -:)

Greetings,

Blag.

> I'd like to clarify something other. OO or

> procedural.

OOP of course -;)

> - some kind of (custom or trivial) MVC approach

> - a service aggregation framework, hiding

> implementation details (RFC, webservices) and

> allowing to create something like composite apps

> and/or patchwork views on several disjoint services

> potentially from different systems

Sure, not exactly MVC, but something like that....If it's going to be a Framework, it must flexible and easy to extend -;)

> What's your opinions on that?

I agree...Some kind of of MVC should be better. Can you give us some advice on how to start? Use an existing framework or develop on from the scratch?

Greetings,

Blag.

So...What are we going to do???

We got this choices:

• Procedural programming.

• OOP Programming.

• Standard programming.

• MVC Model

• Using an existing framework (Seagull, Cake)

• Start a framework from the scratch

My choices are:

• OOP Programming.

• MVC Model.

• Start a framework from the scratch.

I think Anton agrees with me, so what the others think???

Greetings,

Blag.

Hi Frederic:

Of course your are welcome to contribute....Project is going to start on January 1st....So there's still time for some ideas....When I start the project, I'm going to update the WIKI, so all of you can make more suggestions, send me new "transactions" and stuff.

My plans are to make the latter. A framework where you can use any of the existing SAP/PHP emulated transactions (SE38,SE11,SWBP)....But also, it would be customizable, so people could easily create new transaction emulations to be included on the framework.

That way, you could access SAP from your home and perform some tasks from a PHP environment -;)

I was checking the existing PHP Frameworks like Seagull and Cake....But I really don't want to use them...Because I want to develop a flexible framework and not depend from an existing one....Is going to be hard of course....But as long as I don't have a deadline for the project....I think it's going to be better that way.....

But of course, I'm open to suggestions, and if someone convince me of the benefits of using an existing framework to develop this framework....I can change my mind -;)

From all you suggestions I kinda like PhpSapGui....Maybe PSG?

Greetings,

Blag.