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Dear Moderators,

Earlier Registered email - <<edited>> at gmail dot com

User ID - p762884

I had created this SDN ID in year 2008, I am used it til yesterday, but when I try to log in today it showing wrong user ID or email id

Why this happens suddenly, I contacted SCN suport team with evidence when exactly it created but they replied no such user ID and email id is registered with us, if check on SD forum for which post I answered, there nothing is appearing just appearing as GUEST as below link

Now my user ID & points from last three year gone,

Dear Laxmipathi Now you are my last hope, please do need full to invstigate this

Kapil

Edited by: Matt on Sep 18, 2011 4:49 PM - removed email address

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Moderators,

you guys deleted my previous ID,please delete this P1176177 new one also.

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Hi Kapildev,

sorry for your loss, but have you got any clarification as to what really happened. is it possible to get back your old account?

I got an information that since in some of the threads, you keep copy pasting from other source which is strictly prohibited in this forum, your account is deleted. Sorry for the negative information.

G. Lakshmipathi

Hi Kapil, sorry for the loss.

Hi Lakshmipathi, is pasting links non-sdn/non-help.sap.com related or non-SDN Wiki also prohibited ?

Regards,

Raghu.

Raghu

While it is the fact that you are not suppose to provide any copy right links, it is acceptable to some extent but if you just copy paste from other source (as if you have given the suggestion), then you will be in soup

G. Lakshmipathi

Whenever a thread is rejected by moderators, an email is sent to the registered address of the author. If the reason for rejection is serious - for example copy and pasting someone else work, from sap help or some other site - then there will be something like

<<Warning: this message was copied from link Copy paste of others' work is strictly forbidden in these forums. If you do this again your account may be deleted>>.

Such a warning was issued to a member in January 2010. In September 2011 the same member gave an answer which was copy pasted from SAP help. The request therefore went from the moderators to the admin team to delete the member's id.

I hope that clears up any mystery around this sad situation.

Pasting a link is not forbidden, as such. If your answer contains only a link, it's likely to be rejected. If your answer contaiins multiple links then it may be adjudged a link "farm", which is more serious. If you repeatedly post just links, you risk your account being deleted.

matt

Edited by: Matt on Sep 16, 2011 2:30 PM

thanks for the clarification.

I hope you meant external links by links in your post ?

Regards

Raghu.

I mean internal links to SAP help, other threads, the wiki.... posting just a link or links does not add value to the forums.

matt

hmmm...sometimes, you would like to refer to other threads for more info and more clarification instead of just copy-paste..because a similar problem has been discussed and the continuation can be found in that discussion/link.

and it doesn't mean it is not adding any value to the forum..

and if I apply this argument then referring to an OSS note isn't adding value too?

OSS note is already there and you just need to search for it..

For ex. check this thread: [;

as per the argument it doesn't add any value because the oss note already exists and it is just a copy paste of the info from the note? Simply not! it does add value..I didn't know about this note.. and I had my learning from it..and probably many others..

As a contributor, am scared what to post and what not to? I understand the copyright and repeated questions part...leaving them apart, I don't think there should be so many restrictions and so much policing.

The above are Just my thoughts.. am sure there have been many discussions and brain storming about this before the rules were formed, and I hope they were formed with all the considerations and in a perspective beneficial to all.

Edited by: Rags on Sep 16, 2011 1:57 PM

If you post just a link. Like:

Hope this helps www.google.com

That's not good. If a question can be answered by a link, or a bunch of links, the chances are very high that the question is either a FAQ, could easily be answered by searching, or should have been covered by a training course or reading a book or SAP help!

However, if you use the link or links to support your answer, then that's fine.

Obviously there are grey areas, but no-one ever got guestified for inadvertantly breaching the rules. The evidence has to be for clear, deliberate flouting the rules and/or ignoring warnings. I hope that helps. We really don't want people scared to post!

matt

Regarding the thread you indicated, that might be acceptable - it's up to specialist moderators of the forum. Unfortunately we are in a position where there are people with moderator rights - with "M" after their name - who are not actually involved in moderating, and may well break the rules themselves - obviously inadvertantly. I've raised the thread with the other moderators.

matt

Hi Matt,

I share Raghu's concern. It is not clear - reading Lakshmipathi's and your posts - whether posting link(s) in posts is allowed or disallowed. Could you please clear it?

(many active contributors suggest links which contain solutions, is that a violation of forum rules or not?)

And these rules should somehow be communicated to all members. (Maybe they are)

Sometimes threads are locked, but there are no intimations send to posters. How would posters know about thier violations to the forum rules, in these cases?

For a member, where can he/she see all violations committed by him/her (if committed)?

In my opinion, in this case, maybe Kapildev (thread owner) should have been informed that his ID was being cancelled with the reason; rather than he having to find out in this way.

I welcome your and other moderator's advise and comments.

This is mentioned in the SCN "Rules of Engagement" at the top of each forum.

Also about being warned and ignoring moderator requests to keep within the rules can result in user IDs being deleted in extreme cases.

So basically, if you "want to" post linkfarm answers then you will sooner or later run into problems. Same goes for copy&pasting other peoples answers.

However the main problem is typically the question itself (also see the forum rules about asking questions) or the points-fanatics.

Cheers,

Julius

Hello,

This really is a very grey area.

If there is a hint available in the SAP Note which has quite a lot of points, pointing the right content from that particular Note (even by copy n paste) should not be a serious offence.

Regards,

Raghavendra

> I share Raghu's concern. It is not clear - reading Lakshmipathi's and your posts - whether posting link(s) in posts is allowed or disallowed. Could you please clear it?

Posting links as support for information supplied within a post is perfectly permissible. Posting links is permitted. Posting JUST links (or making a post composed mainly of links) is NOT permitted. I'm not sure how I can make that clearer.

> For a member, where can he/she see all violations committed by him/her (if committed)?

If your post is rejected you get an email. Most often it's either obvious what the issue was, or it's mentioned in the email. if you're not sure -then ask. If it's serious - you will be made aware of the reason.

> In my opinion, in this case, maybe Kapildev (thread owner) should have been informed that his ID was being cancelled with the reason; rather than he having to find out in this way.

The member in question was warned. He received a rejection of a post he'd made, wherein he'd copied SAP help, along with a message saying something like: "You were warned not to do this already. You have done it again. Your account will now be put forward for deletion". if he/she doesn't read his emails or ignores rejection messages, that his/her responsibility.

matt

tnx for the clarification..it is now very clear what to post and what not to?

Probably one of the forums where one is voluntarily contributing and has so many DOs and DONTs think before posting.

anyway, that helps..will post only which 'adds value' to the forum.


tnx for the clarification..it is now very clear what to post and what not to?
> 
> Probably one of the forums where one is voluntarily contributing and has so many DOs and DONTs think before posting.
> 
> anyway, that helps..will post only which 'adds value' to the forum.

Not really. Don't ask for/offer points, don't post your email address, don't ask for documents, don't copy paste others answers, don't encourage frequently asked/basic questions. I think that covers it.

matt

Edited by: Matt on Sep 16, 2011 3:37 PM

I mainly have a problem with it when the source is not mentioned or it is done as a habit to pretend that it is original.

Some people even change the words slighlty from the source to make it slightly less unoriginal.

In this case you did mention the note.

Cheers,

Julius

You forgot mentioning about the complications in posts containing links or references which are 'reasonable' and 'add value' and many other such posts, the very reason this thread has extended so long

Also, as has been pointed out, the note referenced is very long, and so it's reasonable to show just the relevant part in answer to the query. I think that would be ok for anything on the sap.com domain. For anything outside, it'd probably be better to say:

In this link there is a discussion. Please see the bit between "quote" and "other quote".

If the OP had said "This is a really relevant bit from SAP Help", then they'd still have an account today.

Hi All,

ANY WAYS WE SHOULD LEAVE IT.

If anybody contribute or not contribute is nothing make big difference for others, but sure such kind of moderator's activities dis-motivated who contribute honestly.

So decided not to contribute anymore.


> If anybody contribute or not contribute is nothing make big difference for others, but sure such kind of moderator's activities dis-motivated who contribute honestly..

That's the point though, isn't it. It's not an honest contribution if you pass off someone else's work as your own.

I'm sorry you've decided to leave rather than make good.

Hi matt,

First thing is that I am not received any warning mail, when id deleted then I approach support team then they said id is not registered,then i provide evidence of creation then support team said it is deleted because warning in something December 2010.

moreover when I answer any thread and explanation is to long text then I just provide SAP help Library links not any wrong links

if I make mistake,

Let me aware first,What I did wrong

Then punishment - block thread/ID Deletion

Here it happened reverse

First deleted

when I approach then replay as ID is not registered

Then provide evidence of ID then replay is deleted

Then ask why then copy/paste rule violated and warned in 2010

See my reply from Sep 16, 2011 2:30 PM.

You were warned strongly in 2010 not to copy and paste. Then a few days ago, you did it again. You had had your warning. Maybe you forgot it was strictly against the rules - but that's your responsibility.

I would have thought the message last year "If you do this again your account may be deleted" would have stuck in your memory.

matt

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