system copy and upgrade questions

[Former Member]

dear gurus

i have one production box

R/3 version 4.6c

kernel 4.6D sp 1913

DB version Oracle 8.1.7.4.0

OS version Solaris 9

1st QUESTION

if i want to do system copy to new box

with

R/3 version 4.6c

kernel 4.6D sp 1913

DB version Oracle 8.1.7.4.0

OS version Solaris 10 (changed from solaris 9 to 10)

do i need to do homogenous system copy or heterogenous ?

is there any issues between 4.6c and solaris 10 ?

2nd question

if 1st question above is not possible, I want to do homogenous system copy with

R/3 version 4.6c

kernel 4.6D sp 1913

DB version Oracle 8.1.7.4.0

OS version Solaris 9

after that i will upgrade Oracle to 10 and SAP to ECC 6, is it possible to use ECC6 and Solaris 9 ? or do I need to upgrade to Solaris 10 ?

thanks

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Refer product availability matrix http://service.sap.com/pam

Oracle 10g is supported on Solaris/SPARC 9 and 10 using 4.6D_EXT 64-bit kernel.

Oracle 8.1.7 is not supported with Solaris 10.

So first migrate to10g/ Solaris10

Upgrade 4.6C to ECC 6.0

/ Manoj

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

ok since Oracle 8.1.7 is not supported with Solaris 10.

the best approach is

new box :

install Solaris 9

install Oracle 8.1.7

install SAP 4.6c with export dump system copy from old box

upgrade Oracle to 10g

next step : do i need to upgrade to Solaris 10 first before upgrade to ECC 6 ?

can ECC6 run in Solaris 9 ?

thanks

[markus_doehr2 · Accepted solution]

> ok since Oracle 8.1.7 is not supported with Solaris 10.

Oracle 8i is out of support for YEARS already

> next step : do i need to upgrade to Solaris 10 first before upgrade to ECC 6 ?

No.

> can ECC6 run in Solaris 9 ?

yes

(http://service.sap.com/pam)

Markus

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Hi Markus

thanks a lot !

1. i know Oracle 8 is out of support, thats why we are going to upgrade

2. thanks for the information ! i forgot to check ECC6 in PAM only 4.6c

ok i am getting clearer with the process now..

so approach will be like below, please advice whether this is best approach or not

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i have one production box

R/3 version 4.6c 64-bit

kernel 4.6D sp 1913

DB version Oracle 8.1.7.4.0 64-bit

OS version Solaris 9 64-bit

activities in new box

install Solaris 9 64-bit + patches

install Oracle 8.1.7.4.0 64-bit + patches

install R/3 version 4.6c 64-bit (with DB Load from dump from system copy, there is another option to move data file only)

update kernel to latest 4.6d before installing DB instance

upgrade Oracle 2 steps two Oracle 10 + patches

update kernel to 4.6dEX2 (in order to run with Oracle 10)

start SAP

upgrade to ECC6 sr2 + patches (sr2 because we dont want unicode, sr3 installation must be unicode)

am I in right track ?

thanks !!

[markus_doehr2 · Accepted solution]

Looks good!

> upgrade to ECC6 sr2 + patches (sr2 because we dont want unicode, sr3 installation must be unicode)

Yes - but this is for INSTALLATION only - if you do an upgrade you can use the SR3 CDs.

Be aware of the fact, that, as soon as Java applications (Portal etc.) come into place, you must have a Unicode backend.

Markus

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

wah another good information ! last question before I award point

is it confirmed ? upgrade can use SR3 CD ? I thought that SR3 add on it self must run on unicode ?

anyway the goal from customer is only technical upgrade so if they want non unicode to unicode version, maybe there will be another project. sizing also based on non unicode.

[markus_doehr2 · Accepted solution]

is it confirmed ? upgrade can use SR3 CD ? I thought that SR3 add on it self must run on unicode ?

SR 3 installations don´t offer non-unicode, the upgrades however works.

In fact, it doesn´t matter. The difference between SR2 and SR3 is the number of support packages already in the upgrade. With SR2 you need to apply more support packages manually during PREPARE (see note Note 774615 - Support Package levels of ERP/ECC installations/upgrades)

anyway the goal from customer is only technical upgrade so if they want non unicode to unicode version, maybe there will be another project. sizing also based on non unicode

Ok. Just keep in mind that if you customer wants a portal

Markus

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

In fact, it doesn´t matter. The difference between SR2 and SR3 is the number of support packages already in the upgrade. With SR2 you need to apply more support packages manually during PREPARE (see note Note 774615 - Support Package levels of ERP/ECC installations/upgrades)

yes i am aware of this. we do have plan to update the patch level to latest - 1

Ok. Just keep in mind that if you customer wants a portal 

another project then.. yay..

thanks Markus ! people like you who want spend time and effort to help other people is really amazing !

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Hello,

Steps can be even simpler..

You can make direct copy (use R3load) of your source system to Oracle 10g on Solaris 10. What you need here a 4.6D_EXT kernel. Note that 4.6C system can run on 10g/Solaris 10 with that kernel.

So no separate steps needed for oracle and OS upgrades.

Regards,

Manoj

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

 Hello,
Steps can be even simpler..
You can make direct copy (use R3load) of your source system to Oracle 10g on Solaris 10. What you need here a 4.6D_EXT kernel. Note that 4.6C system can run on 10g/Solaris 10 with that kernel.
So no separate steps needed for oracle and OS upgrades.
Regards,
Manoj

hi Manoj !

i am looking for possibility to reduce the steps, can you please kindly explain ur approach above ?

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my assumptions (please correct if there is mistake in my assumptions)

i have one production box

R/3 version 4.6c 64-bit

kernel 4.6D sp 1913

DB version Oracle 8.1.7.4.0 64-bit

OS version Solaris 9 64-bit

activities in new box

install Solaris 10 64-bit + patches

install Oracle 10.2.0.4 64-bit + patches

install R/3 version 4.6c 64-bit (central instance)

update kernel to latest 4.6d_EXT or 4.6d_EX2 before installing DB instance

install db instance (using R3load dump from system copy

start SAP

upgrade to ECC6 sr2 + patches (sr2 because we dont want unicode, sr3 installation must be unicode)

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

this approach is ok. Make sure you use latest released R3SETUP which supports 10.2.0.4 during the 4.6C migration.

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Hi Manoj,

I am a bit confused here. Where to download latest R3SETUP ?

thanks for your recommendation anyway, it will save us 2 steps upgrade in Oracle. Our database is quite small 40Gb so I hope R3load will be fast.

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Refer note Note 946141 - Inst. SAP Systems on UX/Oracle 10.2 with R3SETUP

This note will tell you where to download latest installation tools.

- I haven't tried 10.2.0.4 patch set with this installation tools personally. If it doesn't works (means if it gives error during the db creation post processing "catproc.sql"), then use 10.2.0.2 patchset. You can upgrade the oracle to 10.2.0.4 before upgrade and it is a simple process..

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

Hi Manoj,

I got the following error when try to open the note

The requested SAP Note is either in reworking or is released internally only

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

no idea why..may be they are updating it.

to download use the following path if using 4.6D EXT kernel..

Support Packages and Patches -> Additional Components -> SAP Kernel -> SAP KERNEL 64-BIT -> SAP KERNEL 4.6D_EXT 64-BIT

Then download kernel and 46DSR1_8-10002587.SAR ( Installation Oracle 10.2.0)

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

HI Manoj !

thanks for your help !

btw now I am doing the db export using R3SETUP (quite slow, I have optimize it using split SRT files method)

I have questions here..

when I do export I download latest R3szchk, R3load, R3SETUP, R3check, R3LDCTL

I download from

Support Packages and Patches - Archive - Additional Components - SAP Kernel -SAP KERNEL 64-BIT - SAP KERNEL 4.6D 64-BIT

R3szchk, R3load, R3check, R3LDCTL using SAPEXEDB_2364-10001132.SAR (Kernel Part II for Stack Q1-2008)

R3SETUP using R3SETUP_29-10001132.CAR

source system : Oracle 8.1.7 - R/3 4.6C - Solaris 9

my question is

target system : Oracle 10.0.2 with patches - R/3 4.6C - Solaris 10

later on when i do import to target system, should I use the same kernel when I do the export, or should I use the one from

Support Packages and Patches -> Additional Components -> SAP Kernel -> SAP KERNEL 64-BIT -> SAP KERNEL 4.6D_EX2 64-BIT

thanks !

[Former Member · Accepted solution]

HI Manoj !

thanks for your help !

btw now I am doing the db export using R3SETUP (quite slow, I have optimize it using split SRT files method)

I have questions here..

when I do export I download latest R3szchk, R3load, R3SETUP, R3check, R3LDCTL

I download from

Support Packages and Patches - Archive - Additional Components - SAP Kernel -SAP KERNEL 64-BIT - SAP KERNEL 4.6D 64-BIT

R3szchk, R3load, R3check, R3LDCTL using SAPEXEDB_2364-10001132.SAR (Kernel Part II for Stack Q1-2008)

R3SETUP using R3SETUP_29-10001132.CAR

source system : Oracle 8.1.7 - R/3 4.6C - Solaris 9

my question is

target system : Oracle 10.0.2 with patches - R/3 4.6C - Solaris 10

later on when i do import to target system, should I use the same kernel when I do the export, or should I use the one from

Support Packages and Patches -> Additional Components -> SAP Kernel -> SAP KERNEL 64-BIT -> SAP KERNEL 4.6D_EX2 64-BIT

thanks !